好棒的工笔画

呵呵，刚才又去sijiun去了一次，已经有人因为这个功击你了,zhuzhu,看来我说的有道理啊，画的主题很重要，决定了画的品味，整天照着av女郎画，自然要给别人说成porn painter，希望这里的各位多多搞一些创作的东西，在画里注入自己的思想和灵魂。

补充一句，我鄙视那些【好高骛远】的白痴！通常是半瓶醋的人才喜欢到处评点别人的不是，也不撒泡尿照一下自己是何方神圣！

sijun的那帮杂碎不是没有声音了吗？连spooge都说：what is good drawing? it's hard to say.

看看本大人是怎么反驳那帮杂碎的！

when classical music fans met hip-pop or rap,they would think that is junk.when pop music lover met classical music,they would boredom.it is taste. what is good tasty?what is bad tasty?

i love painting something what i think it is pretty.women,pets,landscape and so on.i think painting is direct,natural. i like the simple way, direct way to express.

what is pretty?what is natural? hard to define.maybe someone think shit is pretty,who knows.when people who like judge someone's work here,i should remind something.the speedpainting thread just like a big family,and i really like this place.but speedpainting thread is not a big menu,that you can ask and order something.

why not people ask spooge,hi man,too much matt paintings.could you show us some very detailing works?why not people ask Mr.Swarm,hey,too much female portrait,why something new? opps, i have forgot that guy hate painting a lot of things,or can't painting?

when someone told me: hey,zhu,stop the stupidity practice,It doesn't seem to have much meaning. why not show us something different? my answer is: i enjoy my way.i post here is not to show or pleased someone.

painting just like people,it is really depend on tasty or hobby.if i have bad tasty or bad hobby. it is my way.i don't want quarrel with someone. i just say my point.

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翻译：

当古典音乐发烧友听到hip-pop或者rap的音乐，他们会认为那是垃圾。当流行音乐爱好者听到古典音乐，他们同样会感到厌倦。这是【品味】问题，什么是好的品味？什么是坏的品味？

我喜欢画我认为是美的东西，女性，宠物，风景等等。我认为绘画应该是直接的，自然的。我喜欢用简洁的，直接的方式去表现绘画。

什么是美？什么是自然？很难定义。也许某人认为【大便】也是美丽的，天知道。当某些人喜欢在这边对别人的作品指手划脚，我必须提醒他们。speedpainting的主题就好像一个大家庭，我非常喜欢这里。但是这个主题不是一个巨大的菜谱，你可以随心所欲地去点菜或者去要求什么。

为什么没有人去问spooge，hi，老兄，你画了太多的涂鸦，能不能画一些非常细致的图让我们开开眼？为什么没有人去问Swarm先生，嘿，太多的女性肖像，为什么不画一些其他的？哦，我忘了，那个家伙好像痛恨画很多类型的东西，还是没有能力画？

当某些人告诉我：嘿，zhu,快停止那些愚蠢的练习吧！那些东西看起来是毫无意义的，为什么不展示一些不同的东西呢？我的回答是：我享受我的方式，我在这里发贴贴图不是为了炫耀或者是取悦某某人的。

画如其人，这个完全视个人的品味和爱好所决定的。就算我拥有低俗的品味和不良的爱好。这是我的方式，我不想和任何人争吵，我只是阐述自己的观点。

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这里还有一段spooge关于【matt painting】的观点：

I remember when I first started posting images that were ”less finished” people objected that I was throwing crap at them. I am not sure that there is anything inherently good about an abstracted image, but what I am after is simplification. One reason for this is laziness, what can I get away with? What can I leave out and still tell the story? One part of simplification that is often overlooked is when you leave stuff out, what remains by default becomes more important. The remaining aspects of a loose image most be precisely done, because so much is riding on it. So simplification is not just simplifiying, or rather it is more correctly finding out what is really important. By leaving out what is not needed, and playing up what is important, the image becomes stronger, has more impact, it hits the viewers mind with a little more force as they say “yes, that is what I see when I look at that.” And since each artists idea of what is important is a little different, the art becomes more personal and expressive. Duplicating photos is a fun parlor game for a while( I did my share), but what do you do after doing that for a while (years?) You start to pick and choose what and how you paint.

It’s funny that you think the halo image is over the edge, because it looks very realistic to me if you get back from it a bit. But you are right, I like the tension between the images life as a 2-d collection of textures and shapes and it’s suggestion of form. Probably that is my obsession.

I think the image was rejected because of the size and importance of the halo 2 project. The images for that campaign need to be very conservative. That is the unfortunate by product of success, you work on bigger projects and you don’t have as much freedom. It was just a sketch, I would have tricked it out as a finished product, but yes, I would get a big stiffy if they used it as is. Not ever gonna happen. But the need for speed images were done fast, no revisions. But they were for internal use, and that is a different world. I am trying to find a way to combine the approaches, to find a way of painting that most people would accept as “finished,” but the image still has some life and ambiguity to it. That is hard to do.

神态感觉没有出来外，其它我觉得都很好啊
一个月画一张，最多的上了30多遍色。偑服

我享受我的方式，我在这里发贴贴图不是为了炫耀或者是取悦某某人的。
画如其人，这个完全视个人的品味和爱好所决定的。就算我拥有低俗的品味和不良的爱好。这是我的方式，我不想和任何人争吵，我只是阐述自己的观点。

上面这些话好啊！！！同感。
画画本来就是一种嗜好，画自己的，别人爱怎么说都行，那些是评论家的事。

口口声声说创作的人，看看你的帖子里面有多少是你完全脱离照片凭自己想象画的？那张布上油画和拷贝照片有什么区别？无非是把几个不同的元素组合在一起罢了。还不如照片呢。

是不是要我把spooge那段关于【使用参考图】的原文翻译一下？你的英文比我好，应该可以看得更加明白。

临摹也需要一个层次和过程，你不能要求一个初学者去体会高层次的临摹。龙兄的那张图我也很惊讶，这个实在不是一个有几十年深厚功底的画者应该画出的东西。当然，我说了，人总有失策的时候，高手也会犯低级错误。为什么不用宽容的态度去看待这些？


我现在的图还是参考照片，但是我会更加强调我需要表达的东西。【临摹派对】里面的那些对照就是要告诉大家，要做照片的主人，不要去做它的奴隶。

spooge也是做了大量的临摹练习以后，才会有强悍的形象思维，因为那些形象元素早已烂熟于心。于是他说，只有用到具体细节的时候才会参考照片。这需要一个过程，不要被一些表面现象所迷惑。当我们赞叹王羲之的书法出神入化，谁会记得他曾经磨墨用完了门前的八大缸水？当我们赞叹达芬奇画的世纪的微笑，是否记得他曾经画过N次的鸡蛋？